>> it's his mom, though, trying to get the curriculum changed. are you saying his mom is now a homosexual activist? >> no, you've got a lot of homosexual activists promoting this and our concern is there's a policy dealing with curriculum alone, it doesn't deal with issues of bullying or inappropriate behavior in schools. it's a neutral policy saying you're going to present both sides in the curriculum. >> rosalind, you work in a lot of schools, is that what you're pushing? >> for 20 years i've been trying to get into programs and working with schools to put content into these programs. and if we make it so generalized and just talk about kids should be nice to each other, our children are not only going to laugh at us, they're also going to think we're incompetent. and that's not acceptable when they're so desperate for our help. these neutral programs don't do it. >> he's saying, tom is saying, address the problem, address the bullying. you don't need to necessarily talk about gays and lesbians in specific. >> you cannot address bullying