those -- the universe of people graduating from college that desire to become teachers? how do you create that? >> one piece is clearly money. when you talk to young people who are at the top of their class, in the u.s., the options available to top third college graduates are huge. and when you have average salaries -- starting salaries around $37,000. the maximum average salary is around $67,000, that doesn't compete. it used to be a generation ago but partly because women and minorities didn't have opportunities outside the classroom. the quality of the teacher corps was subsidized by discrimination in the u.s. those days are gone. we need to pay up in exchange for reform -- >> is anybody out there carrying this message, this notion of a grand bargain, money for fundamental reform? >> michelle rea was the closest of anyone to putting these issues on the table. some people think she's been an