claim the regression took place after the mmr. so the notion that the data is somehow new -- what's new? they didn't suffer from bowel disease? even though all the parents have represented that they did? people need to look at the details and not at the headlines. this is an attempt to whitewash once and for all the notion that vaccines cause autism. they're not just beating a dead horse, they're beating a horse that never existed in the first place. that's not what wakefield study said. it's a seven-page study. anybody can read it and verify what i'm saying is true. >> with all sympathy, as somebody -- >> i don't need any sympathy. i don't need your sympathy. what i need is the facts and someone to look at the details. >> hold on one second, what you yourself said is that what you glean from your anecdotal conversations is hugely compelling to you but unfortunately in terms of the scientific data and analyse that sort of anecdotal conversational database simply doesn't establish the causal link we are looking for in terms of really