television and get a yes or no answer to this will question first and then we'll move on. can we have a serious conversation about washington's spending problems without dealing with medicare and social security? mr. secretary, to you first. >> no. medicare especially, we have to deal with rising health care losts and that combined with the baby baby boomers is probably the most serious underlying issue in the budget over the long-term. >> david walker? >> no. >> then why i'll call it who goes first. the president infuses in his budget to say let's deal, here's my proposal on medicare and social security. because he wants to see what the house republicans do. the house republicans are waiting and they say the president has to wait and go first. why does washington have to get lost every time in that same