a contract discussion. and we have made changes in district after district about health care and have been charged in large measure under our previous bargaining system with the kind of contributions that are made. they get charged against our settlement packages. so salary dollars have been given up in order to meet those particular demands. >> i'm assuming with the governor, judging from his words that i've read, is trying to make it easier for some of the local districts to do what they have to do to keep the schools viable and to protect public jobs. what they're arguing is if we do not get these concessions we will have to lay off public workers. do you buy into that argument? >> caller: i believe the way to reach the fisal kargts that he needs to is to actually say to people these are the targets that we need to get to. how do we get to them? and then we let those go back to the bargaining table. at the state level, they've already agreed to this that, what he wans to do in addition is strip the collective bargaining rights, which isn't a