i've been talking to people on the ground who say, this man's insane, somebody has to stop him. >> i must say, when i said to him, people think you're insane. he answered me, he didn't kick me out of the country. the one who's in charge -- >> the son. >> and you've met him, not only as a child, but recently. >> he was in this country in october on a private visit. he met with certain influential newspaper people. and then he addressed the council on foreign relations. the son is now the -- probably the leader. he came to this country because he was trying to get private investments in libya. now, remember that mubarak wanted his son to take over, so gadhafi wants his son to take over. but saif doesn't seem to have any more of a chance that mubarak's son kamal did. >> he's gone on television and inflamed the protest movement by