i felt like when i stepped between the lines, that's the time i get to be free. i can do all the rehearsing, practicing, all that stuff. and go through the motions, and give them a sense of what it's going to look like. but when i get between the lines, when it's time to play ball, that's when i feel free. >> you're a smart businessman. >> not bad -- >> you are, you make a lot of money. what is it, $1.8 million a show? >> it doesn't mean i save any. whatever. >> you can spend it how you like to, charlie. >> save-shmave. >> you understand how it works. i guess from cbs's point of view the stories about your behavior as it began to accelerate, they get advertisers screaming saying this is not the fit we want for the show. >> did any advertiser pull off? i'm curious, did we lose gillette, target, volvo? >> what is the answer? >> i don't know, i didn't do the research. >> did you hear that that was the case? >> i heard threats of it, yeah. which to me felt like, okay, it could be real. could be just an empty threat. i don't know.