so protect citizens, prevent atrocities. does that mean that we will legitimatize it, create an existence and be there in the future? >> let's establish what the politics of this can be and what the u.n. resolution says. the u.n. resolution is very clear, but i think you're right in saying that the humanitarian language of the u.n. resolution is very different from the way most of us are thinking about the purpose of this whole thing. i think for most people the purpose this thing is tip the military balance so that the good guys start winning and the bad guys start losing, and gadhafi goes. that's not what the u.n. resolution says. >> the u.n. resolution necessarily is stated in terms of humanitarian purposes, and rightly so. the geopolitical relationship we have is to get rid of gadhafi and to address this nascent democracy that is sweeping south africa and to prove, what the president likes to say, we're on the right side of history. not only that, if we fail to do this libya, we will effectively