transitional national council. we should be talking with them. we would have a clearer idea of how they can finish the job. it is their fight to finish. we would have a clear idea of what their plan is for afterwards. you know, there is going to be a libya afterwards. if it is controlled by gadhafi we are all in trouble. he will be making trouble for the whole world. if it's a will be i can't controlled by the opposition i think it is important that we should have engaged with them early, that we get credit for what comes out and we have an idea of who they are. >> what if, as with saddam hussein the no-fly zone continues for 12 years? >> that's unacceptable. that's why it is so important to do something in terms of arming and supporting and supplying the opposition so they can finish the job on the ground. i don't think anyone expects that we'll be continuing to fly over the skies of libya for