there were four strong arms and they couldn't have grabbed the little boy, he is 8 years old. >> well, he had a piece of wood that he was yielding like a knife. >> and it was something that the ripped from the wall. really? two cops couldn't stop him? >> pete, what do you think? >> a piece of wood. randi, randi, listen, if a law enforcement professional cannot handle a 8-year-old with a piece of wood and needs chemical weapons maybe he should evaluate his career choice. i would not put myself in that place, but that is what is definitely their job. i would be willing to say that you need to be willing to take a splinter perhaps to do what we pay you to do. again, i'm not going to put myself in the place, but the kid is 8 years old and chemical sprays, a taser, i don't think so, come on. >> we should point out -- >> well, let me add to that, this could have been horrible consequences, because there are kids who are allergic to the pepper spray, and if you are, you die.