a stop to that throw strangulation of misurata. >> to ben's point in misurata, they continue to shell into that city, they use snipers on buildings according to opposition forces, doesn't that -- isn't that the starkest example of the failure of -- if the u.n. mission is to protect civilians in misurata, it seems a complete failure. >> well, that's true. but i would argue that we probably would not be doing much better if this was a unilateral u.s. operation. the fact is that in the period of time that gadhafi's forces have been fighting, they have been learning. they understand that they are only facing an air threat and there are ways to react to an air threat. get yourself close to the other opponents so that there's a chance for collateral damage. hiding, better camouflage. the fact is our enemy is learning. the fact is that the libyan forces are probably more robust