anyway. now people are saying it. let's talk about this. there is an app for everything out there. there is now a degree for apps. i thought when i first read this there is an app for getting a degree. computer software engineers are among the fastest growing careers. christine, is this good marketing or is this a good degree? >> well, look, this degree is going to change. it's a four-year degree. everything is going to change in four years. you should be taking computer science classes and computer science courses that are changing and that are fluid because some of those old skills that we think of, old meaning three years ago skills, are a commodity now. you have to be much more innovative in all kinds of computer engineering jobs and you have to be moving fast. >> the iphone itself launched in 2007. that was four years ago. great idea. step up the education but it sounds to me a little bit like a degree in dial-up. >> and look, you should be doing