are saying we need to get alternative energy future. right now there is no other practical solution to cars and planes other than oil. >> let me -- let me be clear. i didn't say that. you had me until the alternative -- we should discount the things, arguments don't mace mistake donald trump thinks he can change that by bullying him. >> and americans are driving the price of oil up. we are not. chinese and indians and everybody else who is. >> other argument that doesn't make sense, we have a supply problem. anybody that goes out and suggests we should release froyl strategic oil reserves knows nothing about what the problems are -- >> agree. >> we produce -- we have the third largest oil supply in the world right now. definitely. sorry if i misunderstood. >> last thing which i'm challenging you on we can somehow build smaller windmills and select our -- fix our gas price problem. they have no connection. >> we agree. >> that's what i'm say. >> let's go to history.