himself about enron, worldcom, madoff and other crooks that came along, took advantage of the markets, and if they were the tip of the iceberg, what rested underneath? the amount of resources it took to get this rajaratnam conviction, the wiretaps, even the question of what's insider trading. it doesn't give much hope this case will be much more than won on its own, to be sure a deterrent effect if rajaratnam gets a heavy sentence. i have no doubt it won't be long before the men of money are back to business as usual. don't be naive. >> i'm with you probably more aware of rajaratnam and all of those you who named have been hanging out but hopefully it's getting safer out there. the quiz, richard. let's bring the voice in. good afternoon, voice. >> good day, gentlemen. let's hop into it. the dow jones industrial average is an average of 30 stocks. when it started there were only