gailen, and cornell belcher, a pollster for the obama 2012 campaign and was in 200 as well. does newt just have a problem with the super pacs that have more money than his super pacs do? >> look, nobody can be more scrapingly mean when he's after somebody than newt gingrich. the fact is he tends to do it himself which hasn't helped him over the years. but he has a super pac. not only that, the superer pack, the spokesman for his super pac, is his longtime spokesman, rick tyl tyler. everything he said about the romney pack is true for him. the truth is those of us who actually agreed with the supreme court decision, because the first amendment and all that stuff, the fact is, that everybody's got a chance to bill their own super pac. my guess is it was somebody from a super pac that called governor perry today. and that was the enlightenment that he got. they said we'll raise you $5 million. everybody can do this.