>> but is it weird -- is this nbc showing that it has to drop the hammer because of what's happened with, you know, fill in the blank, other anchors they've had? >> i think there's some of that, yeah. >> but it's a little weird. you have one guy running for the president of the united states. another guy who's not even on the main "today" show. he's on the entertainment version later on. he's paying the big price. >> there's election context to all of this because this happened a month before the election with a nation that really is on edge about this election. i think that is partly why nbc is reacting the way it did. if this tape had come out a year ago, i don't think we see the same kind of reactions. >> they're pushing the narrative this guy is a journalist. >> and that he might replace matt lauer. >> that was the idea. >> that rumor was certainly out there. that really blew that up, clearly. >> so you know, there are also rumors that another shoe is going to drop and there might be other vulgar tapes and maybe there were some outtakes from "the apprentice" when donald trump was hosting it.