try to get north korea to give up its nuclear effort, and i'm quoting him here, probably a lost cause. do you agree? >> i don't. and i was surprised to see the director say that. i think he's a real straight shooter. but this is not the policy of the administration. it's certainly not my view either. i don't think that we can, in any way, suggest that the north koreans, that their position on nuclear weapons is inevitable and unchangeable. that would pose a real danger to our allies and sends the message to other proliferators, if you stick to your nuclear guns long enough, the rest of the world will just come to accept it. i don't think that's the right view, and i think we need to put pressure on china, maybe through the use of secondary sanctions, where we sanction financial institutions, including chinese banks. but also we make it clear to