breath or something like that. it goes to the internal auditor. i want to know anything that sounds like it has real validity about something significant. i'm sure that there were signals way back. >> there were whistle-blowers. cnnmoney has reported they reported it and nothing happened. >> that's the problem. i have this formula. get it right, get it out, get it over. you've got to get it right first. and you've got to do it fast. >> did you speak with the ceo, john simptumpf, once the scanda broke? >> i talked to him on a -- the announcement was on a thursday. and i have no idea what the date was. but -- and then i watched him on jim cramer on cnbc. and i thought he didn't get the