yourself from decisions that involve you or any financial matter involving you. >> all right let's talk more about this and empire of the trump family. let's take a closer look at this blind trust for starters, joining me now, steve, good to see you. steve, rudy giuliani saying this blind trust does not necessarily apply to the president. is he right? >> technically he is right. they govern how most employees can or cannot be involved in financial transactions outside of their public job, don't apply to the president and vice president. at least legally, a president trump is not bound by those rules but the larger point is practically and politically, he probably is because it would just look bad if you had a president who was making policy decisions, foreign policy