somebody like john roberts, either. and john roberts is very conservative, but he committed the cardinal sin in the view of many conservatives, and that is, he voted to uphold the >> i think i would slightly disagree with nina, which i try not to. there are people on the list that i think have great potential. i wouldn't say that president obama selected intellectual leaders. i'm not saying he doesn't select good justices, but justice soto mayor, was not on the top of any list, or justice kegan. they're very qualified and i don't see the difference between president obama and president trump and there are people on that trump list, that are very substantial minds and reliable conservatives. >> there are some people who want donald trump to nominate somebody young so they will remain on the court for a long period of time. >> presidents of late like to do that.