family member about what you can do. there were conversations about if kushner has an office or if he uses a phone that could end up becoming a problem. they were trying to explore whether they could do it. whether he's in the white house or not in the white house he is always going to be incredibly important in running this government in some way or another. and we reported over the weekend how regardless of who had the chief of staff title, jared kushner was still in a lot of ways going to be the last stop. he's who trump knows best and closest in the triad. >> i talked to a former chief of staff under george w. bush yesterday. josh fulton who was saying you have to have clear delineations in a staff like that in the white house. it seems like this is being set up as the sort of troika. have we seen that? >> we have seen it in the campaign and trump corporate offices but not in the white house to this extent. i'd say that there is some analogy. it is not perfect. which if you look at the obama white house everybody would