he's portrayed as the villain, pulling puppet strings behind closed doors. he said he relished that role. in politics there's as a hatchet guy or a strategist guy who will be able to pull on some emotional strings and push buttons here and there and work the back channels of power. it seems as though bannon relishes that sort of role. for everybody knocking the guy, he seems to have played an integral role in a success. campaign for president of the united states. he's clearly no dummy. his strategy worked to get trump elected it shouldn't be strange that trump would like to use him and his political skills to get his policy implemented. >> ellis, at all concerning to you? do you gdigest that with full understanding? >> of course it's concerning. it's especially true in a trump