if they're right out of the military, they bring with them a service bias. general mattis has been in the marine corps and very unique and special issues and requirements associated with being in the marines but he is very much, again, as the congressman indicated, a strategic thinker. how the military can influence and is influenced by those other elements of power. he is a very much a strategic thinker. i think it's worth the political capital. >> so, if the concern is that you don't want a strict military mindset, what do you know about general mattis that makes him more of his nickname mad dog mattis and makes him somebody who is considerate of these options that mike doesn't make nice of these nuance thinkings. >> chris, i would tell you that anybody who has served in the uniform, especially over the course of these last 15 years during a period of sustained combat understands the cost of