but bottom line. how would you assess these eight years president obama's handling of the iraq situation? >> well, look, it's been rather mixed. president obama prevented an attack on the homeland. dealt with an incredibly difficult, complex worldwide situation. especially in the middle east. he did pull the troops out of the middle east, out of iraq, but the problem it -- the problem is he pulled out the troops and had no political plan to ensure the peace. a few year the later had to send the troops back and we're still there now. >> as the president-elect says to the creation or enhancement of isis, did that lead to -- >> it didn't lead to the creation of isis but the problem, left a vacuum in which a terrorist group, turned out to be ace isis, was able to grow. point, next time we pull out of iraq or afghanistan we need a political plan to ensure the safety. >> i hear you saying by the president's decision to leave iraq, pull out of iraq, because no, you know, agreement could be reached for a unity for u.s. troops with the then iraqi