obama resorts to facts and logic. trump goes for emotions. i would call it the difference of logos versus pathos. it's a very different style. with obama, there's no drama. with trump it's all drama all the time. >> did you guys think when he said primal, that was an interesting choice of words? he chose that word very carefully. >> don't you think there's something about where he's coming from. it does have a primal quality to it, almost a primal screen. >> even though we saw contrasting styles there, we also heard barack obama there talking to donald trump, bafb basically. that was the other sort of audience member he was trying to speak to in those very comments. he was trying to make sure to set the stage on his terms that donald trump will step onto. >> but i do think that, as van alluded to, there is a little bit of lame duck irrelevancy to