people, he's making a nuanced point about the psychology of dealing with isis. contrast that with donald trump's point of view for me. >> well, they're both very good speakers. but they're vastly different styles. a couple points. obama is cerebral. trump is primal. obama resorts to facts and logic. trump goes for emotions. what aristotle called the difference between logos versus pathos. very different speaking styles. and of course we now with obama it's no drama. with trump it's all drama all the time. >> did you guys think when he said primal, that was an interesting choice of words? he chose that word very carefully. >> don't you think there's something about where he's coming from? it does have a primal quality to it, almost a primal screen. >> even though we saw contrasting styles there, we also heard barack obama there talking to donald trump,