immigration policy makes any sense -- >> the border is not the dream act. the president-elect who you just confessed to being giddy about -- [ speaking simultaneously ] >> i want to talk about those that are here. i want to talk about how did we control our borders. then we can talk about those who are here. >> we're just asking about your opinion on the dreamers. >> he's talking about it. what i tell our policy people is rhetoric is not policy. when it becomes policy, we will criticize it. we will cheer for it if it's good -- >> will you criticize any extension to the dreamers? >> we probably will, that folks who are here illegally should not be treated the same as those who came here legally. >> if he secures the border as he promises he will, would you support that? >> we have to deal with those who are here. he talked about deporting those who have committed crimes. so a lot of those can be worked into guest worker programs. there are a lot of things we can do if we have a border we can control and an immigration policy that makes sense. >> one last question. "new york times" reporting that donald trump intends to keep a stake in his business empire.