daily basis. and ivanka actually might leave the trump organization to take some kind of role in the administration. unclear what that is right now. it's also unclear how this jives with anti-nepotism laws. also trump supposedly, allegedly, according to "the times" reporting, will not sell or does not want to sell his business outright to his children or anyone else because he would take a large tax hit, wolf. so there's a consideration there. >> what do the ethics experts say about this? >> they don't like it. i'm been speaking to them all along about the potential for this kind of arrangement. and one by one, both sides of the aisle have renounced this kib kind of plan, saying it does not -- it's not really above board, and also, the office of government ethics has urged trump to go ahead and divest his holdings. suggesting that is the best way to really put this issue to bed,