he's not friends, maybe he's friends with putin's best friend igor sechin who's much more dangerous than putin. that doesn't disqualify him. >> jill, we've spoken of trotsky, stalin. in 2016, who would have thunk? >> who would have thunk? i think there's exaggeration on a lot of sides here but what michael was getting into, which is this transactional nature is really important because this new administration is all about that, it's all about the deal and i feel, my personal idea is that so much of that region is not about the deal it's about russia's place in the world, protecting its borders and, granted, there's a big economic component but there are things that go beyond economic deals. and i think probably tillerson is a smart guy and i'm sure he