with china and get russia on board against china or at least to work together with russia to counter china. i don't think it's realistic to expect. and it might be a big disappointment for mr. trump. but what is most important with trump is not his position on russia. most important is that he genuinely believes that america should not be in charge of the whole world and should not try to transform everybody else. and this is, of course, what russia would like. >> steve? >> yeah. i don't like being slurred by ann, but she does it regularly. i'll ignore it. i think american policy, and i'm not alone in this, towards post soviet russia has been catastrophic and led us to this moment. we need to rethink our policy toward russia. it is not just the expansion of