it's still at the forefront of her mind. i think there's a distinction. she's made this distinction between the transition in the white house, the bush white house to the obama white house, and the transition in washington, which i think we can still assume for donald trump is going to be fairly contentious and kind of acrimonious. but i think she's trying to signal to folks who will listen to her that it's important to not do what they did in 2008 and 2009 going into the obama administration, to not follow the republican example for how to deal with an incoming president. for the democrats who are willing to listen, that's an important message. they're trying to decide what kind of tact do we take towards donald trump? how do we deal with this man who during the campaign we argued was unfit for the presidency? and she's making it clear where she stands on that. >> kate, i want to play another portion of this oprah interview