public critical documents that are classified and secret and put the u.s. at risk at the end of the day. there has to be serious consequences for that. and if at the end of the day you think you can do that and then have your sentence commuted, i'm not sure that we send the right message. >> the argument that i've heard from some, some critics already, senator, is that what the president has done in commuting chelsea manning's sentence is in effect to send a message to others in the u.s. intelligence community, the u.s. military, go ahead and do what she did and down the road you probably will get a more lenient sentence. that's the argument that will encourage more of these kinds of leaks to wikileaks. i'm sure you've heard that concern as well. >> well, i've heard that and other arguments in the past. and it is something that is a legitimate, i think, valid argument. the reason at the end of the day that there are consequence,