create greater efficiencies, eliminate due policity and find max -- maximize the tax dollar. so it's more a question instead of just cutting. it's maw do we spend and respect the american tax dollar going forward. >> and that 15 to 20%? >> sorry. >> i'm sorry. look, the president is a very successful business man and netter. he is going to sit down and work with congress to get the best deal possible for americaniss about so they can hire more people and we can grow the economy. so he is going to work with congress on that rate. but he understands better than anybody how to negotiate a great deal. and right now, he's going to negotiate the best deal on behalf of the american worker and on behalf of the american businesses that are hiring them. that was a lot of focus that weapon on today. talking to these companies. and it was interesting, the meeting was only supposed to last an hour. it overflowed another hour into the oval office. he kept asking them, what ideas do you have to grow this