meetings? >> well, you want those decisions to be made purely on the basis of national security. what the president wants to draw on those people around him, who are going to give him advice, based on national security, not on politics, a good example is this order that went down over the weekend. steve bannon apparently was the architect of this order, or one of the arc tects of this order. the president did not have the input of his director of homeland security, did not have the input of his defense secretary, did not have the input of the attorney general or the acting attorney general, and you saw the chaos that resulted. he was trying to score -- in my view he was trying to score political points, and he may have scored political points with some of his supporters, but the result of it was the chaos that we see and the ramifications could be far-reaching. lastly i want to ask you about something else that shawn spiders said today, employees