attack and then an attack on the facts. what is your response to the president of the united states who says you should not be believed because you misrepresented your military record in the past. >> there's no question that judge gorsuch said to me that he found these attacks on the judiciary by the president to be disheartening and demoralizing. in fact, his spokesperson after the meeting confirmed it. he made the statement more than once. in fact, he has made that same statement to a um if ber of my colleagues including senator schumer. but i think that telling me that he finds these attacks to be demoralizing or disheartening behind closed doors is not enough. he needs to make that statement publicly and condemn this attack on the independence of the judiciary and show the american people that he will be independent. >> is that putting a political parameter on somebody who is supposed to stay separate from that type of discussion? >> i said to judge gorsuch, and