whether he does -- whether he believes -- i agree with david. he believes what he wants to believe, but i don't think that in the end that's going to be an effective way for him to get what he needs done. >> senator manchin may have been in that meeting with the president when he said he wanted comprehensive immigration reform. i was in the meeting with the president yesterday when i heard him say, quote, the time is ripe for an immigration bill as long as there is compromise on both sides. >> it serves his political purpose to have it out there that he is perhaps open to this, in favor of it, but i think the white house, with what you're seeing with the aide, what rebecca just said, they pulled back because the political reality is the party is divided on this and the democrats aren't willing to work with them yet. the math isn't there to get it done. >> stand by, guys. there is more to assess. we'll take a quick break and be right back. your insurance company