former president. and this is such a big deal, john, that i think -- and i'm so glad that this station has done such great coverage on this. and you all keep saying if the president really wanted proof of what he so drastically claimed happened by the former president, he could pick up the phone. the problem is, the reason why he hasn't done that or why we haven't seen anything or why the justice department is asking for more time is because there doesn't seem to be any evidence of it. and we have seen other people from the intelligence community actually say they don't think there is any evidence of this. so this is a hugely irresponsible move by this administration. and if we had a dollar for every time -- >> hang on one second. we'll get that money later. let's listen to nancy pelosi talking about health care. >> -- and paula from worcester,