impact on the budget. not what free markets do to drive down costs and what will consumers do to get into the health care market. that is not their expertise. that's why i'm giving you push back on that. wolf, you have to look at this. let me give you one other point. you're talking about 22 to 24 million people. there's 350 people in america and you've seen 70% of americans get their insurance from their employer. and instead of getting a raise, their employers had to put their money into premium increases because of obamacare, health kara cross the spectrum is skyrocketing. americans don't get raise because of health insurance premiums and obamacare going through the roofer. if we can fix this, not only do we deal with that 24 million people you're talking about, but we give 70% of americans who are getting their job in the private sector a raise again because they don't have to go to premium -- this is a big deal, not just for the poor, but for everybody. >> it's a huge deal right now and the key words, if you can