to attack president trump, but he was also obligated i think to defend the federal judiciary. >> i guess another moment was talking about ro e v. wade. were you surprised? >> no. they invoke the ginsburg rule. no forecast, no hints. the it's ironic to me. on the one hand you have the democrats on the judiciary committee seeming to suggest it would be inappropriate for the president to impose a litmus test on abortion. and gorsuch slammed the door shut on that and said i wouldn't even entertain the possibility of abiding by some litmus at the same time, but at the same time they seem to be demanding a litmus test because they kept pushing him on the issue of abortion and trying to get him to sort of prejudge the issue, which would require him under the rules of ethics to recuse