against this. >> exactly. great to see you, jeff, thank you so much. here to talk about the moving parts, mark preston, get off your phone, mark. not like he's pretending he's really talking to sources. okay. one thing that struck me that phil mattingly said earlier today, when it comes to last night, it was all about talking. the more you're talking, the more you're negotiating. today, not a lot of talking. the ultimatum has been laid out, no more talking, this is the bill, you get to deal with it. is this just becoming a game of chicken that's going to play out on the house floor at this point? >> it seems like it. it's ripped from the pages of "the art of the deal," this whole idea, when trump is doing deals, he lets people know he's not afraid to walk away in that he doesn't get too attached to an outcome, right? that's what we are hearing. that's essentially what he's done.