>> but, look, taking all of your points as true for the sake of argument, this was about the ambition of being better, being cleaner, having more sustainable businesses and transitioning away from those that are seen as having negative impacts on the environment. it wasn't simply to kill jobs. obama wanted to replace jobs, a difficult task and you seem to ignore that motivation here that these industries can and do attribute to global warming and to the excesses of human behavior that add to global warming. that's a big part of the motivation. >> well, see, i've argued this over and over again. let's keep in mind the amount that that would contribute to global warming even by their own figures. i'm talking about the epa right now would be 0.2%. it's not even measurable. so people who like to say that this is the major cause for global warming, first of all, this is a debate that's going