we're seeing a guy that basically is telling his people i will obliterate any of you if you ever stand against me, your children, your grandchildren. let's remember in 2003 when americans invaded iraq, this is the guy who was releasing jihadists to fight the war in iraq. you know what he said to them in fair face, he said america has no kind of evidence. so he's a sociopath and he's willing it go all the way. >> on that point, i'm sure you have hardened military veterans including veterans from the nsc including people who are protége of david petraeus, mapping the -- >> you're saying the adults are