they don't necessarily have to be on the phone with these groups. they can inspire someone via the internet. those are extremely powerful. north america, we here in the u.s. have had the experience of this. san bernardino being one of the attacks, canada as well. that shows something that has long been a concern of counter terror folks like the ones sitting around the table. you squeeze them here in their home base. they're going to try to project power across the globe. they have done that with success. >> jim sciutto, thanks. when you look at the map in terms of fighting isis, there's been success in iraq. has there been success in syria? obviously, the u.s. put a lot of money into trying to build sort of so-called moderate forces as a counter to isis. spent a lot of money. didn't get a lot of personnel out of it. >> there has been success. has it been as direct and as dramatic as what we've seen in iraq? no. iraq, we will security forces and militia forces that you