calling him crazy. >> he sounds almost -- what's the right word? >> sounds like perhaps he was trying to identify with him in some way. there is this part about taking over the family business. of course, i'll take trump's business any day over that dynasty. but i think he does in this conversation say this about kim jong-un and what i think is interesting about korea is that -- >> well, i would say to her point before about the sort of bl bluster, obama did project weakness and that what was needed was a leader who would act more tough. so much of diplomacy is about the -- your words and the tone that you set. so that is why trump's credibility is going to be crucial because if they believe the bluster, if they believe the tough talk, that will be a test of some of the foreign policy