the campaign? i shouldn't say. i can tell you everybody who helped get me a job in my career. it's not a secret. i don't get why these are secret. it adds up to lots of unanswered questions. >> or that notion of, well, i met the russian ambassador for ten seconds at the republican national convention, but it was a confidential meeting. if it's a ten second hello, i'm not sure how that it's a confidential meeting. >> it depends how you want to portray yourself. if you want to portray yourself to the trump folks, you will say i have all these great connections and i know a lot about russian politics. if you want to portray yourself as someone in the know to the russians. i know all the trump people. i'm -- that may have been game he was playing. i have absolutely no idea. as phil says, if he is being wiretapped, if there was a warrant, there's a reason. it doesn't happen and it doesn't given out willy-nilly. there has to be a reason. >> or suspicion.