it adds up to lots of unanswered questions. >> or that notion of, well, i met the russian ambassador for ten seconds at the republican national convention, but it was a confidential meeting. if it's a ten second hello, i'm not sure how that it's a confidential meeting. >> it depends how you want to portray yourself. if you want to portray yourself to the trump folks, you will say i have all these great connections and i know a lot about russian politics. if you want to portray yourself as someone in the know to the russians. i know all the trump people. i'm -- that may have been game he was playing. i have absolutely no idea. as phil says, if he is being wiretapped, if there was a fisa warrant, there has to be a reason. it doesn't happen and it doesn't have to be given out willy-nilly. there has to be a reason. >> or suspicion. >> a suspicion. a reason to have a suspicion. >> you have done some extensive reporting on carter page and his ties to russia. what stood out to you? >> i mean, his complete evasiveness is what stands out. his unwillingness to say i was in russia and -- he doesn't know