years, he's a general he's in my opinion a very good person. i believe that it would be very unfair to hear from somebody who we don't even know and would immediately run out and fire a general. we ultimately fired, but we fired for a different reason. >> are you talking about general palestinian? >> general flynn, yes. >> because of lying to the vice president? >> etching plays into it. but we fired him because he said something to the vice president that was not so. >> all right. let's discuss this with cnn politics eugene scott. you we heard him say flynn was a very good person and that there was no emergency, that flynn, the suspicion of the agency that flynn could be compromised by the russians. >> the national security adviser. >> was not an emergency. what does this say about the frame of reference of the