certainly there is the possibility that jeff sessions could be one of those who is being looked at or may be looked at as part of this criminal investigation. it doesn't mean he's done anything illegal. or that he's the focus of anything. but he was the head of national security matters for the trump campaign. and that may or may not figure in part of the fbi's investigation and we should keep it in mind. i don't want to task any apersions only to say that it's relevant and one of the reasons he should have recused himself even earlier than he did. >> tim natali, you're listening to this important conversation and as graham said that he feels this has crossed the threshold into a flat-out criminal probe. >> let's parse that a little bit. if it was just a counterintelligence investigation, it would be an investigation of the russian covert action to undermine our democracy in 2016. if it's become a criminal