to that because he seems to be setting up, well, these other people were talking to the russians. >> let's aseem that's true. show me the criminal statute. i still sit here. i don't want us ever to become what russia became when he was told show me the man and i'll find you the crime. what is the crime? >> well, what the president has said is there was no collusion period. >> i understand that. >> there's a difference between there was no illegal -- >> i agree with you, but it doesn't give muller jurisdiction. he has no jurisdiction to explore whether he did terrible things, engaged in wrong doing, only -- >> aiding and abetting. >> exactly. >> aiding abetting. it requires more than knowledge. >> it is an extraordinary