regarded person within the law enforcement community, say the president said, we should end or curb this investigation. you'll have the president saying, no, no, next question. now, if it's just a he said-he said, nothing else comes out. bob mueller's investigation produces nothing, the congressional investigation produces nothing, donald trump will survive politically. it will be james comey's word against him, impossible sort of to prove. if anything comes out that suggests that donald trump's absolute flat, 100%, no wiggle room denial is not entirely accurate, it begins to undermine his presidency, to be quite honest. it calls into question when he is telling the truth and when he is not. so i don't know that he knows that he's put a big gamble down yesterday in those four words, but i think he did. >> okay. so, "no, no, next question." big gamble from cilliza.